in this country since vietnam, if it's carried out, i will resist it. and then, of course, you continued on and on for months afterwards talking about what a disaster the surge would be. even to the point where it was clear, the surge was succeeding. and in march 2008, you said, quote, here the term "quagmire" could apply. if that's not a quagmire, what is. even as late of august 29th, 2011, 2011, in an interview with the financial times, you said, i disagreed with the president obama, his decision to surge in iraq. as i did with president bush on the surge in iraq. do you stand by that -- those -- those comments, senator hagel? >> well, senator, i stand by them, as i made them. >> you stand by -- were you right? were you correct in your assessment? >> well, i would defer to the judgment of history to sort that out. >> but the committee deserves your judgment as to whether you were right or wrong about the surge. >> i'll explain why i made those comments. >> i want to know if you're right or wrong. that's a direct question, i expect a direct answer. >> the surge assisted in the objective